What always strike me with this is the similarity there is between socrates & jesus, and the relation with platonicism & neo platonicism.
What jesus & socrates have in common is that they didn't write anything themselves, but they are known through the writing of other persons who put them in scene in order to convey their teaching or 'spirit', and they are also known to have a lot of influence in their time, and regarded as breakthrough regarding 'things of the spirit'.
One of the paradox of socrates is that in the same was said the wisest man of athena by the oracle, but in the same time saying he doesn't know anything, and he was not belonging to any school of though or philosophy, and not being dogmatic, and he was saying he was animated by his 'inner daemon' always remaining vague on this topic.
The other common point is they have both been killed by law, both more or less willingly, socrates said he was prefering to be killed by the law than living as a criminal, and jesus said he was seing it coming to and didn't do anything to avoid it, and their death both caused a serious shock in the faith of people in the law.
Most of what we know of socrates was wrote by plato, and from what i understood, socrates a bit plato 'teen hero' and it has affected him very deeply that socrates that he was seing more as a hero of wisedom against tyranny was killed by the law, and it's him who wrote most of what we know of socrates through dialogs.
And the thing that is always important for plato & socrates is that they are not being dogmatic, and always call to 'inner reflection', or well like socrates maieutics of 'know thyself' , and they were always very careful not to be dogmatic, but still not being nihilist. It can be seen easily in the growth of plato that more & more he take a less idealistic stance on thing thinking all political matter can be handled by reasonable dialog, and also the historical situation of the city of athena in greece was always reminding of the need also for 'guardians' and a form of order and law, but more digging around the quality of what should make this law fair & good.
Can seem a bit classical, but it's already a very important notion at the core of platonic ideas that there must alway be a notion of good above it's dogmatic or legal representation, and that it's something that can always be atained through the 'spirit', ideas, rather than from the world of the 5 senses, that all the concept of good, of justice, even the concept of images allegory & myths, all these are the concept that plato put in place through his dialog. All alongside with reflection on the 'one' , around the parmindes, and all the concept of trutth, idealism, utopias etc
In the whole christianism is also bathed from this, and jesus was coming also from this culture, and there are many reference to this made in the bible, lot of term used in the new testament for me they are direct reference to those concept developed in greek philosophy, there are many things in the bible that are clearly not of the 'world of 5 senses', and are directly philosophical concepts.
The influence of neo platonicism on the funding of catholic church, and the whole 'classical era', is also very strong, and the whole doctrine of 'immetarial truth', and 'material illusion' is rather also present in latter christianism, or that heaven(immaterial?) is the kindgom of god, and earth is not (more or less
), but that it's kindgom will come on earth, and it's related to me with word become the flesh too, and how utopias should become reality.
Regarding there is finnally very few traces of jesus as a living person, maybe we have an old st suaire that is most likely a fake with his face on it, but beside this, and the account in the bible, there is not really much track of him, and he never really became an influent ruler, or someone who left much 'material trace', and regarding that the whole bible already deal with plenty of concept that are related to platonic philosophy, and plato did a bit the same with socrates, to put him in scene with other famous character of that time, but it's not to be taken as an historical recording of real conversation, but, something more imaged or that is supposed to reveal higher truth though the interpretation of the dialog.
I guess in large part because the catholic church was faced with the same kind of dilema in the west with the barbarian & all, they didn't have much even any book at all, or not having written language at all, even already the condition in which socrates & jesus were living next to this it was utopia and already they both have been killed too, and the catholic church always have the policy to form a well formed & selected elite, and then having this kind of pyramidal discipline from above, which is very similar to the idea of plato utopia.
When i said this to a girl who as doing study in sociology , specially in france with this whole atheistic out look on the seperation of church & state she was like ok .. But in the same time, even if there is this clash between republic & catholic church or religion in general since 500 year, to me to idea of republic in itself it's not so different in the platonic view of early catholic church too, and probably at that time there was more overlap between also stoics or people with more platonic school of philosophy around christian, philo of alexendria who knew jesus in his life told he was a wise person.
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